Report by Member of Parliament Emm. I. Loulakakis to S. Venizelos on the mission of the author and of Professor and former minister P. Koutsomitopoulos to London to conduct contacts with the competent British ministries and services with a view to promoting Greek raisins.
226.17.085 · 1948 Δεκέμβριος 18 · Ελληνική · machine-generated, not reviewed
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λος, ὁ κ. Πιερρᾶκος καί ὁ ὑποφαινόμενος εἰς τό Ὑπουργεῖον Τρο-
φίμων ὅπου μᾶς ἀνέμενον οἱ Ὑφυπουργοί κ.κ. Fearnearyou καί
ὁ κ. Hardman καί ὁ ἁρμόδιος ἐμπειρογνώμων καί Διευθυντής ξη-
ρῶν καρπῶν τοῦ Ὑπουργείου κ. Squeler . Ἡ συζήτησις διήρκε-
σεν ἐπί 1½ ὥραν. Μετά τήν ἀνάπτυξιν τῶν θεμάτων παρ'ἡμῶν καί ἀ-
φοῦ ἠκούσαμεν καί τάς ἀντιλήψεις τῶν ἀνωτέρω κ.κ. Ὑφυπουργῶν
ἐμείναμεν σύμφωνοι νά ἐπακολουθήσῃ δευτέρα συνάντησις,ἥτις πράγ-
ματι καί ἔλαβε χώραν τήν 4ην Νοεμβρίου.Ἀνεπτύξαμεν διεξοδίκως
καί κατά τάς δύο αὐτάς συναντήσεις ,αἱ ὁποῖαι διήρκεσαν τρεῖς
καί πλέον ὥρας,τάς συνθήκας τῆς σταφιδοπαραγωγῆς μας,τό κόστος
παραγωγῆς τοῦ γεωργικοῦ προϊόντος καθώς καί τῆςἐπεξεργασίας
καί τῆς συσκευασίας αὐτοῦ, καί τήν συγκριτικήν αὔξησιν αὐτῶν
κατ'ἔτος, ἐθέσαμεν ὑπ'ὄψει τῶν κ.κ. Ὑφυπουργῶν ἀναλυτικούς πί-
νακας τῶν ἐξόδων τούτων καί ἐτονίσαμεν ἰδιαιτέρως ὅτι αἱ ζητού-
μεναι τιμαί 85 £ κατά τόννον διά τήν σουλτανίναν καί 70 διά τήν
κορινθιακήν ποσοστόν μόνον τοῦπαραγωγικοῦ κόστους καλύπτον, καί
ὅτι ἡ Ἑλληνική Κυβέρνησις προσπαθεῖ νά ἐξεύρῃ τρόπον διά νά
καλύψῃ τό ἄνοιγμα τούτου,οὐχί βεβαίως ἐκ τοῦ Κρατικοῦ προϋπολο-
γισμοῦ, ὁ ὁποῖος εἶναι εὐπαθής καί βεβαρυμένος μέ τεραστίας
στρατιωτικάς δαπάνας, ἀλλά ἐξ ἄλλων πηγῶν, πρᾶγμα λίαν δυσχερές
διά τήν πτωχήν Ἑλληνικήν Οἰκονομίαν.-
Τόσον ὁ κ. Κουτσομητόπουλος, ὅσον καί ἐγώ καταθέσαμεν μετά τήν
πρώτην προφορικήν ἀνάπτυξιν ἔγγραφα σημειώματα ἐπί ὅλων τῶν ἀ-
φορώντων τήν σταφίδα ζητημάτων. Οἱ κ.κ. Ὑφυπουργοί μᾶς ἤκουσαν
ὄντως μέ ἰδιαιτέραν προσοχήν καί παρεδέχθησαν ὅλας τάς ἐκτεθεί-
σας ἀπόψεις μας, ἀποδεχθέντες πλήρως τήν ἀναπτυχθεῖσαν ἐπιχει-
ρηματολογίαν μας.Μᾶς ἐξέθεσαν δέ τά ἀκόλουθα ἐν συντομίᾳ ἀπό
ἰδικῆς των πλευρᾶς:" Ἡ Ἀγγλία κάνει πολιτικήν χαμηλῶν τιμῶν
διά νά συμπιέσῃ τόν τιμάριθμον καίκρατήσῃ εἰς ἐπίπεδα ἰσορρο-
πίας τούς μισθούς καί τά ἡμερομίσθια, καί ἐμπεδώσῃ τήν ἐξωτερι-
Stamps and notes
- handwritten_note Vertical line in left margin left margin, beside lines on the 4 November meeting and the discussion
- handwritten_note Vertical line in left margin left margin, beside the lines on the acceptance of the arguments
- other Two small dots left margin, near the top
Uncertain readings
- Fearnearyou Handwritten English surname inserted in a typed gap; letter forms ambiguous (possibly a hyphenated or different name).
- Squeler Handwritten English surname inserted in a typed gap; reading of the middle letters uncertain.
- διεξοδίκως Overtyped letters in the middle of the word; accent placement as typed is unclear (may read διεξοδικῶς).
- κορινθιακήν Second letter is faint/overtyped and may read κρρινθιακήν.
- καλύπτον Handwritten mark below the end of the word; possibly a correction to καλύπτουν. 'τοῦ' and 'κόστους' in this line are partly handwritten corrections over the typing.
Demotic Greek
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ο κ. Πιερράκος και ο υπογράφων στο Υπουργείο Τροφίμων, όπου μας περίμεναν οι Υφυπουργοί κ.κ. Fearnearyou και ο κ. Hardman, και ο αρμόδιος εμπειρογνώμονας και Διευθυντής ξηρών καρπών του Υπουργείου κ. Squeler. Η συζήτηση διήρκεσε 1½ ώρα. Μετά την ανάπτυξη των θεμάτων από μέρους μας και αφού ακούσαμε και τις αντιλήψεις των παραπάνω κ.κ. Υφυπουργών, συμφωνήσαμε να ακολουθήσει δεύτερη συνάντηση, η οποία πράγματι έγινε στις 4 Νοεμβρίου. Αναπτύξαμε διεξοδικά και στις δύο αυτές συναντήσεις, που διήρκεσαν τρεις και πλέον ώρες, τις συνθήκες της σταφιδοπαραγωγής μας, το κόστος παραγωγής του γεωργικού προϊόντος καθώς και της επεξεργασίας και της συσκευασίας του, και τη συγκριτική αύξησή τους κατ' έτος, θέσαμε υπόψη των κ.κ. Υφυπουργών αναλυτικούς πίνακες των εξόδων αυτών και τονίσαμε ιδιαίτερα ότι οι τιμές που ζητούνται, 85 £ ανά τόνο για τη σουλτανίνα και 70 για την κορινθιακή, καλύπτουν μόνο ένα ποσοστό του κόστους παραγωγής, και ότι η Ελληνική Κυβέρνηση προσπαθεί να βρει τρόπο να καλύψει το κενό του, όχι βέβαια από τον Κρατικό προϋπολογισμό, ο οποίος είναι ευαίσθητος και επιβαρυμένος με τεράστιες στρατιωτικές δαπάνες, αλλά από άλλες πηγές, πράγμα πολύ δύσκολο για την φτωχή Ελληνική Οικονομία.-
Και ο κ. Κουτσομητόπουλος και εγώ καταθέσαμε, μετά την πρώτη προφορική ανάπτυξη, έγγραφα σημειώματα για όλα τα ζητήματα που αφορούν τη σταφίδα. Οι κ.κ. Υφυπουργοί μας άκουσαν πράγματι με ιδιαίτερη προσοχή και παραδέχθηκαν όλες τις απόψεις που εκθέσαμε, αποδεχόμενοι πλήρως την επιχειρηματολογία που αναπτύξαμε. Μας εξέθεσαν δε συνοπτικά τα εξής, από τη δική τους πλευρά: «Η Αγγλία ακολουθεί πολιτική χαμηλών τιμών για να συμπιέσει τον τιμάριθμο και να κρατήσει σε επίπεδα ισορροπίας τους μισθούς και τα ημερομίσθια, και να εδραιώσει την εξωτερική
Turkish
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Gıda Bakanlığı'na gittik; orada Bakan Yardımcıları Sayın Fearnearyou ile Sayın Hardman ve Bakanlığın ilgili uzmanı ve Kuru Yemişler Müdürü Sayın Squeler bizi bekliyordu. Görüşme bir buçuk saat sürdü. Konuları bizim açıklamamızdan ve adı geçen Sayın Bakan Yardımcılarının görüşlerini dinlememizden sonra, ikinci bir görüşme yapılması konusunda anlaştık; bu görüşme gerçekten de 4 Kasım'da yapıldı. Üç saati aşan bu iki görüşmede, kuru üzüm üretimimizin koşullarını, tarımsal ürünün üretim maliyetini ve ayrıca işlenmesinin ve ambalajlanmasının maliyetini, bunların yıllık karşılaştırmalı artışını etraflı biçimde açıkladık; Sayın Bakan Yardımcılarının dikkatine bu giderlere ilişkin çözümlemeli tabloları sunduk ve özellikle şunu vurguladık: istenen fiyatlar, sultani için ton başına 85 £ ve Korint türü için 70 £, üretim maliyetinin yalnızca bir bölümünü karşılamaktadır. Yunan Hükûmeti bu açığı kapatmanın yolunu aramaktadır; bunu hiç kuşkusuz hassas durumda olan ve çok büyük askerî harcamalarla yüklü Devlet bütçesinden değil, başka kaynaklardan karşılamak istemektedir, ki bu yoksul Yunan ekonomisi için pek güç bir iştir.
Sayın Koutsomitopoulos da ben de ilk sözlü açıklamadan sonra, kuru üzümü ilgilendiren tüm konularda yazılı notlar sunduk. Sayın Bakan Yardımcıları bizi gerçekten de özel bir dikkatle dinlediler ve ileri sürdüğümüz tüm görüşleri kabul ettiler; geliştirdiğimiz gerekçelendirmeyi tümüyle benimsediler. Kendi açılarından özetle şunları bildirdiler: “İngiltere düşük fiyat politikası izlemektedir; amacı geçim endeksini bastırmak, ücretleri ve gündelikleri denge düzeylerinde tutmak ve para birimine duyulan dış ve iç
English
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los, Mr. Pierrakos and the undersigned went to the Ministry of Food, where we were awaited by the Under-Secretaries, Messrs. Fearnearyou and Hardman, and by the competent expert and Director of dried fruits of the Ministry, Mr. Squeler. The discussion lasted 1½ hours. After we had set out our subjects and had heard the views of the above-mentioned Under-Secretaries, we agreed that a second meeting should follow, which in fact took place on 4 November. In both of these meetings, which lasted more than three hours, we set out at length the conditions of our raisin production, the cost of production of the agricultural product as well as of its processing and packing, and the comparative increase of these costs year by year; we placed before the Under-Secretaries analytical tables of these expenses, and we stressed in particular that the prices asked, £85 per ton for the sultana and £70 for the currant, were covering only a percentage of the cost of production, and that the Greek Government is trying to find a way to cover the shortfall, not of course from the State budget, which is fragile and burdened with enormous military expenditure, but from other sources, a thing most difficult for the poor Greek economy.-
Both Mr. Koutsomitopoulos and I, after the first oral presentation, submitted written memoranda on all the questions concerning raisins. The Under-Secretaries did indeed listen to us with particular attention and accepted all the views we had set out, fully accepting the argumentation we had developed. They set out to us briefly the following from their own side: “England pursues a policy of low prices in order to hold down the cost-of-living index, keep wages and daily wages at levels of equilibrium, and strengthen external and internal confidence in her currency.
Open issues
| p. | Kind | Language | Text | Detail |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| abstract_mismatch | αρχεσ | names in the archivist's title or abstract not found in the transcription | ||
| 3 | uncertain_reading | Fearnearyou | Handwritten English surname inserted in a typed gap; letter forms ambiguous (possibly a hyphenated or different name). | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | Squeler | Handwritten English surname inserted in a typed gap; reading of the middle letters uncertain. | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | διεξοδίκως | Overtyped letters in the middle of the word; accent placement as typed is unclear (may read διεξοδικῶς). | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | κορινθιακήν | Second letter is faint/overtyped and may read κρρινθιακήν. | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | καλύπτον | Handwritten mark below the end of the word; possibly a correction to καλύπτουν. 'τοῦ' and 'κόστους' in this line are partly handwritten corrections over the typing. | |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | el | Fearnearyou / Squeler (σελ. 5: Feavearyear, Squaler) | Οι παραλλαγές γραφής πιθανώς αφορούν τα ίδια πρόσωπα (Υφυπουργός και Διευθυντής ξηρών καρπών). Δεν ομογενοποιήθηκαν, γιατί η ανάγνωση είναι αβέβαιη. |
| 3 | translation_term | el | κ.κ. Fearnearyou και ὁ κ. Hardman | Το «Ὑφυπουργός» αποδόθηκε «Υφυπουργός», όπως στο κείμενο, για τους Βρετανούς Parliamentary Secretaries του Υπουργείου Τροφίμων. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | Fearnearyou, Squeler | Adlar belirsiz okunmuş. 5. sayfada aynı kişiler ⟦Feavearyear⟧ ve Squaler biçiminde geçiyor; muhtemelen aynı kişiler (Feavearyear?). Doğrulanmalı. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | διεξοδίκως, κορινθιακήν, καλύπτον | Belirsiz okumalar çevrilip ⟦ ⟧ içinde bırakıldı. “καλύπτον” (yalın, tekil nötr) ile fiyatlar arasındaki dilbilgisel uyum belirsiz; anlam bağlamdan çıkarıldı. |
| 3 | translation_term | tr | σουλτανίνα | Çekirdeksiz sultani kuru üzüm; “sultani” / “sultani kuru üzüm” olarak çevrildi. κορινθιακή: Korint (kuş) üzümü. |
| 3 | translation_check | tr | numbers missing in translation: 1; back-translation agreement 0.62 | |
| 3 | translation_term | en | Ὑφυπουργοί | Rendered 'Under-Secretaries' (literally Deputy Ministers); presumably the British Parliamentary/Under-Secretaries at the Ministry of Food. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | en | Fearnearyou / Squeler / Squaler / Feavearyear | The British officials' names are spelled inconsistently in the source (Fearnearyou/Feavearyear for the Under-Secretary; Squeler/Squaler for the dried-fruits expert). Reproduced as given; the true spellings cannot be confirmed. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | en | κορινθιακήν ... καλύπτον | Both readings are uncertain in the transcription. |