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Confidential memo to the Presiding Committee of the National Defence of Constantinople, by which its author informs about conversations he had with the Chief of Staff of the British Military Headquarters and the Secretary of the Commission, Mr. Kkoch, who discussed with him, among other things, the possibility of intervention by the Defence Forces, supported by the British, in order to change the status in Asia Minor and ends with his conclusions based on those meetings.

Φ.22.001.149 · Ιουύνιος 3/16 · Ελληνική · machine-generated, not reviewed

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Απόρρητο σημείωμα προς το Προεδρείο της Εθνικής Αμύνης Κωνσταντινουπόλεως, με το οποίο ο συντάκτης ενημερώνει σχετικά με συνομιλίες που είχε του με τον επιτελάρχη του Αγγλικού Στρατηγείου και τον γραμματέα της Αρμοστείας κ. Κκοχ, οι οποίοι τον βολιδοσκόπησαν μεταξύ αλλών για το ενδεχόμενο επέμβασης των Αμυνιτών με υποστήριξη των Άγγλων προς μετατροπή του καθεστώτος στη Μικρά Ασία και καταλήγει με τα συμπεράσματά του με βάση αυτές τις συναντήσεις του.
Archivist's abstract
A confidential memorandum to the Presidium of the National Defence (movement) of Constantinople (Istanbul), in which the writer reports on conversations with the Chief of Staff of the English General Headquarters and with Mr Kkoch, Secretary of the High Commission. Among other things, they sounded the writer out on the possibility of an intervention by the members of the National Defence (movement), with English support, to change the regime in Asia Minor. The memorandum ends with the writer's conclusions drawn from these meetings.
Document type
Σημείωμα
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Πρωτότυπο
Recipients
Προεδρείο της Εθνικής Αμύνης Κωνσταντινουπόλεως
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Κονδύλης Γεώργιος
Keywords
Entente · Σχέσεις της Ελλάδας με την Entente · Μικρασιατική Εκστρατεία (1919-1922) · Εθνική Άμυνα Κωνσταντινουπόλεως
Subjects
Πόλεμος · Εθνικά ζητήματα
Source
https://venizelosarchives.gr/show/164312 · Europeana
Licence
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/ · Accessed 2026-11-09

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Φ.22.001.149 p. 3

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δὲν ἀπεφασίζομεθα νὰ εἴπω εἰς τὸν κ. Κκοχ ὅτι μετὰ τὴν κατάβασιν τοῦ Βασιλέ- ως εἰς τὸ Μέτωπον, οὐδεμία ἀποφασι- στικὴ ἐπέμβασις εἰς τὸν στρατὸν Ἀνατο- λῆς δύναται κατ' ἐμὴν γνώμην νὰ γίνῃ καὶ ἐὰν ἀκόμη οἱ Ἄγγλοι μᾶς παρα- καλοῦν νὰ ἐπιχειρήσωμεν σήμερον τοι- αύτην τι, θὰ ἤμουν τῆς γνώμης νὰ ἀρ- νηθῶμεν. Ἀπὸ τὰς δύο ὡς ἄνω ὁμιλίας συμπεραίνω τὰ ἑξῆς: α'/ ὅτι πολλὰ ὅτι μόνον ἡ ἐξέλιξις τῶν γεγονότων ἐπὶ τοῦ Μετώπου θὰ κανονίσῃ τὴν στάσιν τῶν Ἄγγλων ἀπέναντί μας. β'/ ὅτι ἐν περιπτώσει ἥττης τοῦ Ἑλληνικοῦ στρατοῦ καὶ ὁ κ. Κκοχ ἀκόμη φρονεῖ ὅτι οἱ Ἄγγλοι θὰ ἀναγκασθοῦν νὰ χρησιμο- ποιήσουν τοὺς ἐδῶ ἀξιωματικοὺς καὶ τὸν Ἑλληνικὸν πληθυσμόν. γ'/ ὅτι ὑπὸ τοιούτους ὅρους δὲν νομίζω ὅτι οἱ Ἄγγλοι θὰ ἐπιθυμήσουν τὴν διά- σπασιν τῆς εἰρήνης. Τοιαύτην ἐντύπωσιν ἀπεκόμισεν καὶ ὁ κ. Καλκάνδης ἀπὸ μίαν ἰδιωτικὴν ὁμιλίαν ἀπὸ μεθ' ἑνὸς ἐν τῇ Ἀρμοστείᾳ ἀνωτέρου ἀρ- μοδίου ὑπαλλήλου. Τέλος θὰ ἤθελα ἐπίσης νὰ παρατη- ρήσω ὅτι ὑπάρχει μεταξὺ τῶν ἀντι- λήψεων τῶν στρατιωτικῶν ἑλληνικῶν κύ- κλων καὶ τῶν πολιτικῶν τοιούτων […] ἀρκετὰ σοβαραὶ διαφοραί. Εἶναι ἐπίσης ἀντίληψις ὅτι αἱ Ἀρμοστεῖαι ἔχουν

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Uncertain readings

  • δὲν ἀπεφασίζομεθα first words of page faint and cursive; verb form doubtful
  • εἴπω εἰς faint
  • ἤμουν could be ἤμεθα
  • ὡς short word before ἄνω, unclear
  • ὅτι πολλὰ struck-through words; 'ὅτι μόνον' written above as insertion
  • τοιούτους word after ὑπό unclear
  • ἐπιθυμήσουν underlined passage; verb unclear
  • σπασιν continuation of διά-; could be διάσωσιν or similar
  • Καλκάνδης proper name, underlined; reading doubtful
  • ἀπὸ struck-through word before μεθ'
  • στρατιωτικῶν adjective before ἑλληνικῶν unclear
  • καὶ could be ἢ
  • πολιτικῶν τοιούτων unclear
  • … end of line illegible
  • ἐπίσης end of line, faint
  • ἀντίληψις first word of last line unclear
  • αἱ Ἀρμοστεῖαι unclear; possibly singular ἡ Ἀρμοστεία

Demotic Greek

δεν αποφασίζαμε να πω στον κ. Κκοχ ότι μετά την κάθοδο του Βασιλιά στο Μέτωπο καμία αποφασιστική επέμβαση στον στρατό της Ανατολής δεν μπορεί κατά τη γνώμη μου να γίνει, και ότι ακόμη κι αν οι Άγγλοι μάς παρακαλούσαν να επιχειρήσουμε σήμερα κάτι τέτοιο, θα ήμουν της γνώμης να αρνηθούμε. Από τις δύο ως άνω ομιλίες συμπεραίνω τα εξής: α'/ ότι πολλά ότι μόνο η εξέλιξη των γεγονότων στο Μέτωπο θα καθορίσει τη στάση των Άγγλων απέναντί μας. β'/ ότι σε περίπτωση ήττας του ελληνικού στρατού, και ο κ. Κκοχ ακόμη φρονεί ότι οι Άγγλοι θα αναγκαστούν να χρησιμοποιήσουν τους εδώ αξιωματικούς και τον ελληνικό πληθυσμό. γ'/ ότι υπό τέτοιους όρους δεν νομίζω ότι οι Άγγλοι θα επιθυμήσουν τη διάσπαση της ειρήνης. Την ίδια εντύπωση αποκόμισε και ο κ. Καλκάνδης από μια ιδιωτική ομιλία από με έναν ανώτερο αρμόδιο υπάλληλο της Αρμοστείας. Τέλος, θα ήθελα επίσης να παρατηρήσω ότι υπάρχουν μεταξύ των αντιλήψεων των στρατιωτικών ελληνικών κύκλων και των πολιτικών […] αρκετά σοβαρές διαφορές. Είναι επίσης αντίληψη ότι οι Αρμοστείες έχουν

Turkish

Bay Kkoch'a şunu söylemeye karar vermiştim ki, Kral'ın Cephe'ye inmesinden sonra Doğu ordusu üzerinde hiçbir kesin müdahale benim kanımca yapılamaz; İngilizler bizden bugün böyle bir şeye girişmemizi rica etseler bile, reddetmemiz görüşünde olurdum. Yukarıdaki iki görüşmeden şu sonuçları çıkarıyorum: a/ ki çok şey — yalnızca Cephe'deki olayların gidişi İngilizlerin bize karşı tutumunu belirleyecektir. b/ Yunan ordusunun yenilgisi hâlinde Bay Kkoch bile İngilizlerin buradaki subayları ve Rum nüfusu kullanmak zorunda kalacaklarını düşünmektedir. c/ Bu gibi koşullar altında İngilizlerin barışın bozulmasını isteyeceklerini sanmıyorum. Aynı izlenimi Bay Kalkandis de, Yüksek Komiserlik'te yetkili bir üst görevli ile yaptığı özel bir görüşmeden (sonra) edinmiştir. Son olarak şunu da belirtmek isterim ki Yunan askerî çevrelerinin görüşleri ile siyasi olanlar […] arasında oldukça ciddi farklılıklar vardır. Ayrıca kanı şudur ki Yüksek Komiserlikler sahiptir

English

we did not decide to say to Mr Kkoch that, after the King's going down to the Front, no decisive intervention in the Army of the East can, in my opinion, take place, and that even if the English were to ask us today to undertake anything of the kind, I would be of the opinion that we should refuse. From the two conversations above I conclude the following: a/ that many that only the development of events on the Front will determine the attitude of the English towards us. b/ that in the event of a defeat of the Greek army, even Mr Kkoch is of the opinion that the English will be compelled to use the officers here and the Greek population. c/ that under such conditions I do not think that the English will desire the rupture of the peace. Mr Kalkandis also gained such an impression from a private conversation with a senior competent official of the High Commission. Finally, I would also like to observe that there are fairly serious differences between the conceptions of military Greek circles and of political ones […]. It is also a conception that the High Commissions have

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p.KindLanguageTextDetail
abstract_mismatchαμυνιτων, κωνσταντινουπολεωσ, μικραnames in the archivist's title or abstract not found in the transcription
3uncertain_readingδὲν ἀπεφασίζομεθαfirst words of page faint and cursive; verb form doubtful
3uncertain_readingεἴπω εἰςfaint
3uncertain_readingἤμουνcould be ἤμεθα
3uncertain_readingὡςshort word before ἄνω, unclear
3uncertain_readingὅτι πολλὰstruck-through words; 'ὅτι μόνον' written above as insertion
3uncertain_readingτοιούτουςword after ὑπό unclear
3uncertain_readingἐπιθυμήσουνunderlined passage; verb unclear
3uncertain_readingσπασινcontinuation of διά-; could be διάσωσιν or similar
3uncertain_readingΚαλκάνδηςproper name, underlined; reading doubtful
3uncertain_readingἀπὸstruck-through word before μεθ'
3uncertain_readingστρατιωτικῶνadjective before ἑλληνικῶν unclear
3uncertain_readingκαὶcould be ἢ
3uncertain_readingπολιτικῶν τοιούτωνunclear
3uncertain_reading…end of line illegible
3uncertain_readingἐπίσηςend of line, faint
3uncertain_readingἀντίληψιςfirst word of last line unclear
3uncertain_readingαἱ Ἀρμοστεῖαιunclear; possibly singular ἡ Ἀρμοστεία
3ocr_reviewconfidence 0.45; 17 uncertain spans in 183 words; agreement of two readings 0.90
3translation_uncertain_sourceelΚαλκάνδης / ΚαλανόδαςΑβέβαια ονόματα, πιθανώς το ίδιο πρόσωπο (σελ. 2 και 3)· διατηρήθηκαν όπως διαβάστηκαν.
3translation_uncertain_sourceelτῶν στρατιωτικῶν ἑλληνικῶν κύκλων καὶ τῶν πολιτικῶν τοιούτωνΤο «ελληνικών» είναι αμφίβολο· από τη συνέχεια (σελ. 4) φαίνεται ότι πρόκειται για τους αγγλικούς στρατιωτικούς και πολιτικούς κύκλους. Αποδόθηκε όπως στην πηγή. Η πρόταση που ακολουθεί και η μετάβαση στη σελ. 4 είναι ελλιπείς.
3translation_uncertain_sourcetrδὲν ἀπεφασίζομεθα νὰ εἴπω εἰςParagrafın başı belirsiz ve sözdizimi bozuk (çoğul 'biz' fiili ile tekil 'söyleyeyim' karışık). Anlam yaklaşık verildi: Bay Kkoch'a şunun söylendiği.
3translation_uncertain_sourcetrστρατὸν ἈνατολῆςKelime anlamıyla 'Doğu ordusu'; Anadolu'daki Yunan kuvvetlerine atıf olabilir ama kesin değil.
3translation_uncertain_sourcetrὅτι πολλὰ ὅτι μόνονMadde a'nın başı belirsiz; 'ὅτι πολλὰ' fazlalık veya yanlış okuma olabilir.
3translation_uncertain_sourcetrΚαλκάνδηςBelirsiz okunan özel ad (Kalkandis).
3translation_uncertain_sourcetrἰδιωτικὴν ὁμιλίαν ἀπὸ μεθ' ἑνὸςKaynakta 'ἀπὸ' ile 'μεθ'' birlikte gelmesi bozuk; 'özel bir görüşmeden sonra … ile yaptığı' biçiminde yaklaşık aktarıldı.
3translation_uncertain_sourcetrαἱ Ἀρμοστεῖαι ἔχουν / ἔχῃ τιCümle sayfa 3'ten 4'e geçerken bozuk ve eksik; özne (muhtemelen Yüksek Komiserlik'in sivil tutumu) belirsiz. Yaklaşık aktarım yapıldı.
3translation_termenστρατὸν ἈνατολῆςProbably the Army of the East (Orient); could also refer to the Army of Asia Minor. Rendered literally.
3translation_termenκατάβασιν τοῦ Βασιλέως εἰς τὸ Μέτωπον'The King's going down to the Front' – refers to the King (presumably Constantine) taking up presence at the front in Asia Minor; context-dependent.
3translation_uncertain_sourceenΚαλκάνδηςUncertain reading of a name; 'Kalkandis' is tentative and may be the same person as 'Kalanodas' on page 2.
3translation_uncertain_sourceenὅτι πολλὰ […] ὅτι μόνονDuplicated 'ὅτι' with an uncertain word between; the phrase is incomplete in the transcription.
3translation_uncertain_sourceenΕἶναι ἐπίσης ἀντίληψις ὅτι αἱ Ἀρμοστεῖαι ἔχουνThe sentence breaks off at the page end and resumes on page 4 with 'ἔχῃ τι καὶ μεγαλυτέραν αὐθόρμησιν'; the grammar does not join up and the subject of 'appears much more reserved' is unclear (probably the High Commission vs. the military). Translated literally.