Confidential memo to the Presiding Committee of the National Defence of Constantinople, by which its author informs about conversations he had with the Chief of Staff of the British Military Headquarters and the Secretary of the Commission, Mr. Kkoch, who discussed with him, among other things, the possibility of intervention by the Defence Forces, supported by the British, in order to change the status in Asia Minor and ends with his conclusions based on those meetings.
Φ.22.001.149 · Ιουύνιος 3/16 · Ελληνική · machine-generated, not reviewed
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δὲν ἀπεφασίζομεθα νὰ εἴπω εἰς τὸν κ.
Κκοχ ὅτι μετὰ τὴν κατάβασιν τοῦ Βασιλέ-
ως εἰς τὸ Μέτωπον, οὐδεμία ἀποφασι-
στικὴ ἐπέμβασις εἰς τὸν στρατὸν Ἀνατο-
λῆς δύναται κατ' ἐμὴν γνώμην νὰ γίνῃ
καὶ ἐὰν ἀκόμη οἱ Ἄγγλοι μᾶς παρα-
καλοῦν νὰ ἐπιχειρήσωμεν σήμερον τοι-
αύτην τι, θὰ ἤμουν τῆς γνώμης νὰ ἀρ-
νηθῶμεν.
Ἀπὸ τὰς δύο ὡς ἄνω ὁμιλίας συμπεραίνω
τὰ ἑξῆς:
α'/ ὅτι πολλὰ ὅτι μόνον ἡ ἐξέλιξις τῶν γεγονότων
ἐπὶ τοῦ Μετώπου θὰ κανονίσῃ τὴν στάσιν
τῶν Ἄγγλων ἀπέναντί μας.
β'/ ὅτι ἐν περιπτώσει ἥττης τοῦ Ἑλληνικοῦ
στρατοῦ καὶ ὁ κ. Κκοχ ἀκόμη φρονεῖ ὅτι
οἱ Ἄγγλοι θὰ ἀναγκασθοῦν νὰ χρησιμο-
ποιήσουν τοὺς ἐδῶ ἀξιωματικοὺς καὶ
τὸν Ἑλληνικὸν πληθυσμόν.
γ'/ ὅτι ὑπὸ τοιούτους ὅρους δὲν νομίζω
ὅτι οἱ Ἄγγλοι θὰ ἐπιθυμήσουν τὴν διά-
σπασιν τῆς εἰρήνης. Τοιαύτην ἐντύπωσιν
ἀπεκόμισεν καὶ ὁ κ. Καλκάνδης
ἀπὸ μίαν ἰδιωτικὴν ὁμιλίαν ἀπὸ μεθ'
ἑνὸς ἐν τῇ Ἀρμοστείᾳ ἀνωτέρου ἀρ-
μοδίου ὑπαλλήλου.
Τέλος θὰ ἤθελα ἐπίσης νὰ παρατη-
ρήσω ὅτι ὑπάρχει μεταξὺ τῶν ἀντι-
λήψεων τῶν στρατιωτικῶν ἑλληνικῶν κύ-
κλων καὶ τῶν πολιτικῶν τοιούτων […]
ἀρκετὰ σοβαραὶ διαφοραί. Εἶναι ἐπίσης
ἀντίληψις ὅτι αἱ Ἀρμοστεῖαι ἔχουν
Stamps and notes
- other Portrait watermark of Eleftherios Venizelos (Foundation logo) bottom right
- other Two punched filing holes left margin
- other Ink bleed-through from verso left margin and throughout
Uncertain readings
- δὲν ἀπεφασίζομεθα first words of page faint and cursive; verb form doubtful
- εἴπω εἰς faint
- ἤμουν could be ἤμεθα
- ὡς short word before ἄνω, unclear
- ὅτι πολλὰ struck-through words; 'ὅτι μόνον' written above as insertion
- τοιούτους word after ὑπό unclear
- ἐπιθυμήσουν underlined passage; verb unclear
- σπασιν continuation of διά-; could be διάσωσιν or similar
- Καλκάνδης proper name, underlined; reading doubtful
- ἀπὸ struck-through word before μεθ'
- στρατιωτικῶν adjective before ἑλληνικῶν unclear
- καὶ could be ἢ
- πολιτικῶν τοιούτων unclear
- … end of line illegible
- ἐπίσης end of line, faint
- ἀντίληψις first word of last line unclear
- αἱ Ἀρμοστεῖαι unclear; possibly singular ἡ Ἀρμοστεία
Demotic Greek
δεν αποφασίζαμε να πω στον κ. Κκοχ ότι μετά την κάθοδο του Βασιλιά στο Μέτωπο καμία αποφασιστική επέμβαση στον στρατό της Ανατολής δεν μπορεί κατά τη γνώμη μου να γίνει, και ότι ακόμη κι αν οι Άγγλοι μάς παρακαλούσαν να επιχειρήσουμε σήμερα κάτι τέτοιο, θα ήμουν της γνώμης να αρνηθούμε.
Από τις δύο ως άνω ομιλίες συμπεραίνω τα εξής:
α'/ ότι πολλά ότι μόνο η εξέλιξη των γεγονότων στο Μέτωπο θα καθορίσει τη στάση των Άγγλων απέναντί μας.
β'/ ότι σε περίπτωση ήττας του ελληνικού στρατού, και ο κ. Κκοχ ακόμη φρονεί ότι οι Άγγλοι θα αναγκαστούν να χρησιμοποιήσουν τους εδώ αξιωματικούς και τον ελληνικό πληθυσμό.
γ'/ ότι υπό τέτοιους όρους δεν νομίζω ότι οι Άγγλοι θα επιθυμήσουν τη διάσπαση της ειρήνης. Την ίδια εντύπωση αποκόμισε και ο κ. Καλκάνδης από μια ιδιωτική ομιλία από με έναν ανώτερο αρμόδιο υπάλληλο της Αρμοστείας.
Τέλος, θα ήθελα επίσης να παρατηρήσω ότι υπάρχουν μεταξύ των αντιλήψεων των στρατιωτικών ελληνικών κύκλων και των πολιτικών […] αρκετά σοβαρές διαφορές. Είναι επίσης αντίληψη ότι οι Αρμοστείες έχουν
Turkish
Bay Kkoch'a şunu söylemeye karar vermiştim ki, Kral'ın Cephe'ye inmesinden sonra Doğu ordusu üzerinde hiçbir kesin müdahale benim kanımca yapılamaz; İngilizler bizden bugün böyle bir şeye girişmemizi rica etseler bile, reddetmemiz görüşünde olurdum.
Yukarıdaki iki görüşmeden şu sonuçları çıkarıyorum:
a/ ki çok şey — yalnızca Cephe'deki olayların gidişi İngilizlerin bize karşı tutumunu belirleyecektir.
b/ Yunan ordusunun yenilgisi hâlinde Bay Kkoch bile İngilizlerin buradaki subayları ve Rum nüfusu kullanmak zorunda kalacaklarını düşünmektedir.
c/ Bu gibi koşullar altında İngilizlerin barışın bozulmasını isteyeceklerini sanmıyorum. Aynı izlenimi Bay Kalkandis de, Yüksek Komiserlik'te yetkili bir üst görevli ile yaptığı özel bir görüşmeden (sonra) edinmiştir.
Son olarak şunu da belirtmek isterim ki Yunan askerî çevrelerinin görüşleri ile siyasi olanlar […] arasında oldukça ciddi farklılıklar vardır. Ayrıca kanı şudur ki Yüksek Komiserlikler sahiptir
English
we did not decide to say to Mr Kkoch that, after the King's going down to the Front, no decisive intervention in the Army of the East can, in my opinion, take place, and that even if the English were to ask us today to undertake anything of the kind, I would be of the opinion that we should refuse.
From the two conversations above I conclude the following:
a/ that many that only the development of events on the Front will determine the attitude of the English towards us.
b/ that in the event of a defeat of the Greek army, even Mr Kkoch is of the opinion that the English will be compelled to use the officers here and the Greek population.
c/ that under such conditions I do not think that the English will desire the rupture of the peace. Mr Kalkandis also gained such an impression from a private conversation with a senior competent official of the High Commission.
Finally, I would also like to observe that there are fairly serious differences between the conceptions of military Greek circles and of political ones […]. It is also a conception that the High Commissions have
Open issues
| p. | Kind | Language | Text | Detail |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| abstract_mismatch | αμυνιτων, κωνσταντινουπολεωσ, μικρα | names in the archivist's title or abstract not found in the transcription | ||
| 3 | uncertain_reading | δὲν ἀπεφασίζομεθα | first words of page faint and cursive; verb form doubtful | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | εἴπω εἰς | faint | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | ἤμουν | could be ἤμεθα | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | ὡς | short word before ἄνω, unclear | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | ὅτι πολλὰ | struck-through words; 'ὅτι μόνον' written above as insertion | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | τοιούτους | word after ὑπό unclear | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | ἐπιθυμήσουν | underlined passage; verb unclear | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | σπασιν | continuation of διά-; could be διάσωσιν or similar | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | Καλκάνδης | proper name, underlined; reading doubtful | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | ἀπὸ | struck-through word before μεθ' | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | στρατιωτικῶν | adjective before ἑλληνικῶν unclear | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | καὶ | could be ἢ | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | πολιτικῶν τοιούτων | unclear | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | … | end of line illegible | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | ἐπίσης | end of line, faint | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | ἀντίληψις | first word of last line unclear | |
| 3 | uncertain_reading | αἱ Ἀρμοστεῖαι | unclear; possibly singular ἡ Ἀρμοστεία | |
| 3 | ocr_review | confidence 0.45; 17 uncertain spans in 183 words; agreement of two readings 0.90 | ||
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | el | Καλκάνδης / Καλανόδας | Αβέβαια ονόματα, πιθανώς το ίδιο πρόσωπο (σελ. 2 και 3)· διατηρήθηκαν όπως διαβάστηκαν. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | el | τῶν στρατιωτικῶν ἑλληνικῶν κύκλων καὶ τῶν πολιτικῶν τοιούτων | Το «ελληνικών» είναι αμφίβολο· από τη συνέχεια (σελ. 4) φαίνεται ότι πρόκειται για τους αγγλικούς στρατιωτικούς και πολιτικούς κύκλους. Αποδόθηκε όπως στην πηγή. Η πρόταση που ακολουθεί και η μετάβαση στη σελ. 4 είναι ελλιπείς. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | δὲν ἀπεφασίζομεθα νὰ εἴπω εἰς | Paragrafın başı belirsiz ve sözdizimi bozuk (çoğul 'biz' fiili ile tekil 'söyleyeyim' karışık). Anlam yaklaşık verildi: Bay Kkoch'a şunun söylendiği. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | στρατὸν Ἀνατολῆς | Kelime anlamıyla 'Doğu ordusu'; Anadolu'daki Yunan kuvvetlerine atıf olabilir ama kesin değil. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | ὅτι πολλὰ ὅτι μόνον | Madde a'nın başı belirsiz; 'ὅτι πολλὰ' fazlalık veya yanlış okuma olabilir. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | Καλκάνδης | Belirsiz okunan özel ad (Kalkandis). |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | ἰδιωτικὴν ὁμιλίαν ἀπὸ μεθ' ἑνὸς | Kaynakta 'ἀπὸ' ile 'μεθ'' birlikte gelmesi bozuk; 'özel bir görüşmeden sonra … ile yaptığı' biçiminde yaklaşık aktarıldı. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | αἱ Ἀρμοστεῖαι ἔχουν / ἔχῃ τι | Cümle sayfa 3'ten 4'e geçerken bozuk ve eksik; özne (muhtemelen Yüksek Komiserlik'in sivil tutumu) belirsiz. Yaklaşık aktarım yapıldı. |
| 3 | translation_term | en | στρατὸν Ἀνατολῆς | Probably the Army of the East (Orient); could also refer to the Army of Asia Minor. Rendered literally. |
| 3 | translation_term | en | κατάβασιν τοῦ Βασιλέως εἰς τὸ Μέτωπον | 'The King's going down to the Front' – refers to the King (presumably Constantine) taking up presence at the front in Asia Minor; context-dependent. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | en | Καλκάνδης | Uncertain reading of a name; 'Kalkandis' is tentative and may be the same person as 'Kalanodas' on page 2. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | en | ὅτι πολλὰ […] ὅτι μόνον | Duplicated 'ὅτι' with an uncertain word between; the phrase is incomplete in the transcription. |
| 3 | translation_uncertain_source | en | Εἶναι ἐπίσης ἀντίληψις ὅτι αἱ Ἀρμοστεῖαι ἔχουν | The sentence breaks off at the page end and resumes on page 4 with 'ἔχῃ τι καὶ μεγαλυτέραν αὐθόρμησιν'; the grammar does not join up and the subject of 'appears much more reserved' is unclear (probably the High Commission vs. the military). Translated literally. |