Confidential memo to the Presiding Committee of the National Defence of Constantinople, by which its author informs about conversations he had with the Chief of Staff of the British Military Headquarters and the Secretary of the Commission, Mr. Kkoch, who discussed with him, among other things, the possibility of intervention by the Defence Forces, supported by the British, in order to change the status in Asia Minor and ends with his conclusions based on those meetings.
Φ.22.001.149 · Ιουύνιος 3/16 · Ελληνική · machine-generated, not reviewed
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OCR: needs review · claude/opus · Agreement of two readings 0.95
ἡ Ἀγγλία νὰ μᾶς ὑποστηρίξῃ, τότε καὶ
μόνον θὰ ἦτο δυνατὸν νὰ σκεφθῇ κανεὶς
περὶ τοιαύτης ἐπιχειρήσεως.
Ὁ κ. Συνταγματάρχης Κονδύλης ἀνέφερε τὰ σχετικὰ
τῆς ὁμιλίας ταύτης εἰς τὸν Ἀντιστράτηγον ἢ
Ἀνώτερόν του, ἐγὼ δὲ […] ἀνεκοί-
νωσα ταῦτα εἰς τὸν σύμβουλον ἐπὶ τῶν
ἐξωτερικῶν κ. Καλανόδαν, ἐγνώρισα δὲ ἐν ὀλί-
γοις εἰς τὸν Πρόεδρον τῆς Ἐπιτροπῆς τὰς μεγά-
λας γραμμὰς τῆς συνομιλίας.
Δὲν ἐθεώρησα ὅτι ἦτο συμφέρον νὰ γίνῃ
καμμία ὁμιλία καὶ καμμία εὐρυτέρα ἀνα-
κοίνωσις ἀφοῦ ἐπρόκειτο ἀκόμη περὶ ἀπλου-
στάτης σκέψεως.
2/ Χθὲς μὲ παρεκάλεσεν ὁ κ. Κκοχ νὰ τὸν
ἐπισκεφθῶ εἰς τὴν Ἁρμοστείαν, ὅπου με-
τέβην, μοὶ ἀνεκοίνωσε δὲ ὅτι ὁ Στρατηγὸς
ἐπισκεφθεὶς ἐθεώρησε ὅτι τὸ ζήτημα ἔχει πο-
λιτικὸν χαρακτῆρα καὶ διεβίβασε τὴν σχετικὴν
ἔκθεσιν εἰς τὴν Ἁρμοστείαν καὶ ὅτι αὕτη
ἔχει καθῆκον νὰ μοῦ δηλώσῃ ὅτι δὲν φρονεῖ
ὅτι εἶναι δυνατὸν νὰ ὑποστηρίξῃ τοιοῦτον
σχέδιον. Ὁ κ. Κκοχ φρονεῖ ὅτι μόνον ἐν περι-
πτώσει ἥττης τοῦ Ἑλληνικοῦ στρατοῦ θὰ ἀναγκα-
σθοῦν κατὰ πᾶσαν πιθανότητα οἱ Ἄγγλοι
ἴσως νὰ χρησιμοποιήσουν Ἕλληνας ἀξιω-
ματικοὺς καὶ ἐθελοντὰς τῆς Θρᾴκης, ἀλλὰ
ὅτι τοῦτο δὲν εἶναι σχέδιον πολιτικὸν ζήτημα
ἀλλὰ στρατιωτικόν, τὸ ὁποῖον ἀφορᾷ οὐχὶ
τὴν Ἁρμοστείαν ἀλλὰ τὸ Στρατηγεῖον.
Stamps and notes
- stamp Watermark/stamp with portrait of Eleftherios Venizelos bottom right
- other Two punch holes right margin
- other Ink from the reverse side shows through whole page
Uncertain readings
- ⟦…⟧ Two words struck through after 'ἐγὼ δὲ'; illegible under the deletion.
- Καλανόδαν Proper name, uncertain reading of the letters.
- ἀπλου-στάτης Word broken across lines; the reading is uncertain.
- παρεκάλεσεν Verb form unclear; could be written as 'παρακαλέσεν'.
- μοὶ Short word before 'ἀνεκοίνωσε'; could also be 'καὶ'.
- ἐπισκεφθεὶς Participle at the start of the line, unclear.
- κατὰ πᾶσαν πιθανότητα Phrase run together and unclear.
- ἴσως Short word at the start of the line, unclear.
- τῆς Θρᾴκης Could also read 'τῆς εἰρήνης'; unclear.
- ζήτημα Word after 'πολιτικὸν', unclear.
Demotic Greek
η Αγγλία να μας υποστηρίξει, τότε και μόνο θα ήταν δυνατόν να σκεφτεί κανείς μια τέτοια επιχείρηση.
Ο κ. Συνταγματάρχης Κονδύλης ανέφερε τα σχετικά με αυτή την ομιλία στον Αντιστράτηγο ή στον ανώτερό του· εγώ δε […] τα ανακοίνωσα στον σύμβουλο επί των εξωτερικών κ. Καλανόδα, και γνωστοποίησα εν συντομία στον Πρόεδρο της Επιτροπής τις μεγάλες γραμμές της συνομιλίας.
Δεν θεώρησα ότι ήταν συμφέρον να γίνει καμία ομιλία και καμία ευρύτερη ανακοίνωση, αφού επρόκειτο ακόμη για απλούστατη σκέψη.
2/ Χθες με παρακάλεσε ο κ. Κκοχ να τον επισκεφθώ στην Αρμοστεία, όπου μετέβην· μου ανακοίνωσε δε ότι ο Στρατηγός αφού επισκέφθηκε θεώρησε ότι το ζήτημα έχει πολιτικό χαρακτήρα και διαβίβασε τη σχετική έκθεση στην Αρμοστεία, και ότι αυτή έχει καθήκον να μου δηλώσει ότι δεν φρονεί ότι είναι δυνατόν να υποστηρίξει ένα τέτοιο σχέδιο. Ο κ. Κκοχ φρονεί ότι μόνο σε περίπτωση ήττας του ελληνικού στρατού θα αναγκαστούν κατά πάσα πιθανότητα οι Άγγλοι ίσως να χρησιμοποιήσουν Έλληνες αξιωματικούς και εθελοντές της Θράκης, αλλά ότι αυτό δεν είναι σχέδιο πολιτικό ζήτημα αλλά στρατιωτικό, το οποίο αφορά όχι την Αρμοστεία αλλά το Στρατηγείο.
Turkish
İngiltere bizi desteklemeye niyetliyse, ancak o zaman böyle bir girişimi düşünmenin mümkün olabileceğini söyledik.
Albay Bay Kondylis bu konuşmaya ilişkin hususları Korgeneral'e ya da bir üstüne bildirdi; ben de […] bunları dış işleri danışmanı Bay Kalanodas'a ilettim, Komite Başkanı'na da görüşmenin ana hatlarını kısaca bildirdim.
Herhangi bir konuşma yapılmasını ve daha geniş bir duyuruyu yararlı görmedim, çünkü henüz çok basit bir düşünceden ibaretti.
2/ Dün Bay Kkoch Yüksek Komiserlik'te kendisini ziyaret etmemi rica etti; oraya gittim ve bana şunu bildirdi: General ziyaret ettikten sonra meselenin siyasi nitelikte olduğunu değerlendirmiş ve ilgili raporu Yüksek Komiserlik'e iletmiş; Yüksek Komiserlik de böyle bir planı destekleyebileceği kanısında olmadığını bana bildirmekle yükümlüdür. Bay Kkoch, yalnızca Yunan ordusunun yenilgisi hâlinde büyük bir olasılıkla İngilizlerin belki Yunan subayları ve Trakya'dan gönüllüler kullanmak zorunda kalacaklarını, ancak bunun siyasi bir plan mesele değil, Yüksek Komiserlik'i değil Karargâh'ı ilgilendiren askerî bir mesele olduğunu düşünmektedir.
English
England to support us, then and only then would it be possible for one to think of such an undertaking.
Colonel Kondylis reported the substance of this conversation to the Lieutenant-General or a superior of his, and I […] communicated it to the adviser on foreign affairs, Mr Kalanodas, and informed the President of the Committee briefly of the main lines of the conversation.
I did not consider it advantageous that any discussion or any wider communication should take place, since it was still a matter of a very simple idea.
2/ Yesterday Mr Kkoch asked me to visit him at the High Commission, where I went, and he informed me that the General, having visited, had considered that the question has a political character and had transmitted the relevant report to the High Commission, and that the latter has a duty to declare to me that it does not think it possible to support such a plan. Mr Kkoch is of the opinion that only in the event of a defeat of the Greek army will the English in all probability be compelled perhaps to use Greek officers and volunteers of Thrace, but that this is not a political plan question but a military one, which concerns not the High Commission but the General Headquarters.
Open issues
| p. | Kind | Language | Text | Detail |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| abstract_mismatch | αμυνιτων, κωνσταντινουπολεωσ, μικρα | names in the archivist's title or abstract not found in the transcription | ||
| 2 | uncertain_reading | […] | Two words struck through after 'ἐγὼ δὲ'; illegible under the deletion. | |
| 2 | uncertain_reading | Καλανόδαν | Proper name, uncertain reading of the letters. | |
| 2 | uncertain_reading | ἀπλου-στάτης | Word broken across lines; the reading is uncertain. | |
| 2 | uncertain_reading | παρεκάλεσεν | Verb form unclear; could be written as 'παρακαλέσεν'. | |
| 2 | uncertain_reading | μοὶ | Short word before 'ἀνεκοίνωσε'; could also be 'καὶ'. | |
| 2 | uncertain_reading | ἐπισκεφθεὶς | Participle at the start of the line, unclear. | |
| 2 | uncertain_reading | κατὰ πᾶσαν πιθανότητα | Phrase run together and unclear. | |
| 2 | uncertain_reading | ἴσως | Short word at the start of the line, unclear. | |
| 2 | uncertain_reading | τῆς Θρᾴκης | Could also read 'τῆς εἰρήνης'; unclear. | |
| 2 | uncertain_reading | ζήτημα | Word after 'πολιτικὸν', unclear. | |
| 2 | ocr_review | confidence 0.45; 10 uncertain spans in 191 words; agreement of two readings 0.95 | ||
| 2 | translation_uncertain_source | el | Κονδύλης / Κοδέζης | Στη σελ. 1 ο Συνταγματάρχης αναφέρεται ως ⟦Κοδέζης⟧, στη σελ. 2 ως Κονδύλης· ενδέχεται να πρόκειται για το ίδιο πρόσωπο και παραλλαγή της μεταγραφής. Τα ονόματα διατηρήθηκαν όπως γράφονται. |
| 2 | translation_uncertain_source | el | Κκοχ / Κοχ | Η γραφή του ονόματος διαφέρει (Κοχ στη σελ. 1, Κκοχ αλλού)· διατηρήθηκαν όπως στην πηγή. |
| 2 | translation_term | tr | Συνταγματάρχης Κονδύλης | Kondylis olarak aktarıldı; kişinin kimliği belgeden doğrulanamıyor. 'Ἀντιστράτηγον' = Korgeneral (Lieutenant General). |
| 2 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | Καλανόδαν | Belirsiz okunan özel ad, yalın hali muhtemelen Καλανόδας (Kalanodas). |
| 2 | translation_term | tr | Ἁρμοστείαν / Ἀρμοστείᾳ | Müttefik (İngiliz) Yüksek Komiserliği; 'Ἁρμοστεία' Yüksek Komiserlik olarak aktarıldı. |
| 2 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | ἐπισκεφθεὶς | Belirsiz okuma; 'ziyaret ettikten sonra' anlamı verildi, neyin/kimin ziyaret edildiği metinden anlaşılmıyor. |
| 2 | translation_uncertain_source | en | Κονδύλης | Colonel Kondylis (presumably Georgios Kondylis) is not marked uncertain here, but the name differs from 'Κοδέζην' on page 1; see note there. |
| 2 | translation_term | en | Ἀντιστράτηγον ἢ Ἀνώτερόν του | 'Αντιστράτηγος' rendered 'Lieutenant-General'; the English rank may be Lieutenant-General or similar. 'Ἀνώτερον' = his superior. |
| 2 | translation_uncertain_source | en | Καλανόδαν | Name of the adviser on foreign affairs is an uncertain reading; transliteration 'Kalanodas' is tentative. |
| 2 | translation_uncertain_source | en | μοὶ ἀνεκοίνωσε | The sentence structure around 'where I went' and 'he informed me' is fragmentary in the transcription; 'to call on him' is a supplied rendering of 'ἐπισκεφθῶ' in the uncertain context. |
| 2 | translation_uncertain_source | en | σχέδιον πολιτικὸν ζήτημα | Two alternative words appear together ('plan' and 'question'); both are translated. |