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Telegram from E. Venizelos to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs regarding his discussion with the English Minister of Foreign Affairs on the issue of reparations to Turkey from Greece.

173.036.54 · 1923 Μάρτιος 27 · Ελληνική · machine-generated, not reviewed

Archivist's abstract & metadata
Title (el)
Τηλεγράφημα του Ε.Βενιζέλου προς το Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών σχετικά με τη συζήτηση που είχε με τον Άγγλο Υπουργό Εξωτερικών για το ζήτημα των αποζημιώσεων της Τουρκίας από την Ελλάδα.
Archivist's abstract
Reports on the discussion with the British Foreign Minister about the resumption of the negotiations, which will most probably take place at Lausanne, and chiefly about the most difficult question, that of the indemnities demanded by Turkey from Greece.
Document type
Τηλεγράφημα
Original/copy
Σχέδιο
Place received
Αθήνα
Senders
Βενιζέλος Ελευθέριος Κ. 1864-1936
Recipients
Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών της Ελλάδας
Mentioned
Curzon, George Nathaniel- Marquis of Kedleston, Υπουργός των Εξωτερικών της Βρετανίας- 1859-1925 · Τουρκία
Keywords
Σχέσεις της Ελλάδας με την Τουρκία · Συνδιάσκεψη ειρήνης της Λωζάννης (1922-1923)
Subjects
Διεθνείς σχέσεις Ειρήνη · Ιδιοκτησία Αποζημιώσεις
Source
https://venizelosarchives.gr/show/11536 · Europeana
Licence
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/ · Accessed 2026-11-09

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173.036.54 p. 1

Original text (diplomatic transcription)

OCR: needs review · claude/opus · Agreement of two readings 0.79

Ἐκ Λονδίνου 27 Μαρτίου 1923 Ὑπουργεῖον Ἐξωτερικῶν 7΄. Ἀθήνας Εἶδον σήμερον Ὑπουργὸν Ἐξωτερικῶν. Μοὶ ὅστις μοὶ ἀνεκοίνωσεν ὅτι αἱ διαπραγ- ματεύσεις θὰ ἐπαναληφθῶσιν ἐν Λωζάννῃ πιθανώτατα μετὰ τρεῖς ἑβδομάδας. Μία τῶν κυριωτέρων δυσκολιῶν, ὡς μοὶ εἶπεν, εἶναι τὸ ζήτημα ἀποζημιώσεων ἃς ἡ Τουρκία ζητεῖ παρὰ Ἑλλάδος. […] […] […] […] νὰ […] […] Ἑλλάδα τὴν Τουρκίαν […] […] Μοὶ ὑπεδείχθη ὅτι δὲν θὰ ἦτο δυνατὸν νὰ ἐξαρ- τηθῇ […] μειουμένων ἀποζημιώ- σεων […] […] οἰκονομικῆς […] […] Ἑλλάδος ὑπὸ […] […] ἢ […] […] […] ἐὰν […] […] δύναται Ἑλλὰς […] ἀποζημιώσεως. Ἀπήντησα ὅτι ἐπὶ […] ἀποζημιώσεων […] […] […] […] […] νὰ μὴ ὑποχωρήσῃ […]. Μοὶ […] […] ὅτι […] Μοὶ ἀφῆκε […] νὰ […] ὅτι Δυνάμεις […] […] […] νὰ […] […] Ἑλλάδα […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] τὸ ζήτημα

Stamps and notes

  • archival 193 top left
  • handwritten_note ⟦Ἐμπιστευτικόν⟧ 21α top left, slanted
  • archival Ἀρ. Πρωτ. 1001 top left, struck through
  • handwritten_note ⟦78⟧ top left, in red, over the protocol number
  • archival 173/54 3721 left margin, stamped figures
  • archival 544 left margin, handwritten
  • handwritten_note 21α left side, in red
  • handwritten_note Διεξ. ⟦αὐθ.⟧ 10 μμ. ⟦…⟧ left margin, vertical
  • stamp ΜΠΗ bottom right, Benaki Museum stamp

Uncertain readings

  • ⟦Ἐκ Λονδίνου⟧ Place name before the date; the reading is uncertain.
  • ⟦Ὑπουργεῖον⟧ Start of the addressee line, partly obscured by the crossed-out protocol number and the red marks.
  • Μοὶ ὅστις The first word of the line is crossed out in the original (copied, not deleted); ὅστις is a probable reading.
  • ⟦κυριωτέρων⟧ Probable reading.
  • ⟦…⟧ (lines 8–10 of the body) Two and a half lines struck through by the author; for the most part unreadable. ⟦τὴν Τουρκίαν⟧ is very uncertain.
  • ⟦μειουμένων⟧ Probable reading.
  • ⟦…⟧ ⟦οἰκονομικῆς⟧ ⟦…⟧ (lines 12–14) Words largely illegible; οἰκονομικῆς is uncertain.
  • ⟦ἀποζημιώσεως⟧ / ⟦ἀποζημιώσεων⟧ Word endings uncertain.
  • ⟦…⟧ (lines 17–18) Illegible; the end of the line may contain ὑποχωρήσῃ.
  • Μοὶ ⟦…⟧ ⟦…⟧ ὅτι ⟦…⟧ Phrase struck through by the author before 'Μοὶ ἀφῆκε'.
  • ⟦Δυνάμεις⟧ Probable reading.
  • ⟦…⟧ (last four lines) Very illegible hand; one word above the line and one crossed-out word in the second-to-last line.

Demotic Greek

Από το Λονδίνο 27 Μαρτίου 1923 Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών 7΄. Αθήνα Είδα σήμερα τον Υπουργό Εξωτερικών, ο οποίος μου ανακοίνωσε ότι οι διαπραγματεύσεις θα ξαναρχίσουν στη Λωζάνη πιθανότατα σε τρεις εβδομάδες. Μία από τις κυριότερες δυσκολίες, όπως μου είπε, είναι το ζήτημα των αποζημιώσεων που η Τουρκία ζητεί από την Ελλάδα. […] […] […] […] να […] […] Ελλάδα την Τουρκία […] […] Μου υποδείχθηκε ότι δεν θα ήταν δυνατό να εξαρτηθεί […] μειωμένων αποζημιώσεων […] […] οικονομικής […] […] Ελλάδας από […] […] ή […] […] […] εάν […] […] μπορεί η Ελλάδα […] αποζημίωσης. Απάντησα ότι σχετικά με […] αποζημιώσεων […] […] […] […] […] να μη υποχωρήσει […]. Μου […] […] ότι […] Μου άφησε […] να […] ότι Δυνάμεις […] […] […] να […] […] Ελλάδα […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] το ζήτημα

Turkish

Londra'dan 27 Mart 1923 Dışişleri Bakanlığı 7΄. Atina Bugün Dışişleri Bakanı'nı gördüm. Bana, müzakerelerin Lozan'da büyük olasılıkla üç hafta sonra yeniden başlayacağını bildirdi. Söylediğine göre başlıca güçlüklerden biri, Türkiye'nin Yunanistan'dan talep ettiği tazminatlar meselesidir. […] […] […] […] için […] […] Yunanistan Türkiye'yi […] […] Bana, bağlı kılınmasının mümkün olmayacağı belirtildi […] azaltılan tazminatlara […] […] ekonomik […] […] Yunanistan'ın altında […] […] ya da […] […] […] eğer […] […] Yunanistan […] tazminat ödeyebilir. Şu yanıtı verdim: […] tazminatlar konusunda […] […] […] […] […] geri adım atmamalı […]. Bana […] […] ki […] Bana […] bıraktı […] için […] ki Devletler […] […] […] için […] […] Yunanistan […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] meselesi

English

From London 27 March 1923 Ministry of Foreign Affairs 7΄. Athens Today I saw the Minister for Foreign Affairs, who informed me that the negotiations will be resumed at Lausanne, most probably after three weeks. One of the principal difficulties, as he told me, is the question of the indemnities which Turkey demands from Greece. […] […] […] […] to […] […] Greece Turkey […] […] It was pointed out to me that it would not be possible for […] to be made dependent […] reduced indemnities […] […] financial […] […] of Greece by […] […] or […] […] […] if […] […] Greece can […] indemnity. I replied that on […] indemnities […] […] […] […] […] not to yield […]. To me […] […] that […] He left me […] to […] that Powers […] […] […] to […] […] Greece […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] the question

Open issues

p.KindLanguageTextDetail
abstract_mismatchαγγλοnames in the archivist's title or abstract not found in the transcription
1uncertain_readingἘκ ΛονδίνουPlace name before the date; the reading is uncertain.
1uncertain_readingὙπουργεῖονStart of the addressee line, partly obscured by the crossed-out protocol number and the red marks.
1uncertain_readingΜοὶ ὅστιςThe first word of the line is crossed out in the original (copied, not deleted); ὅστις is a probable reading.
1uncertain_readingκυριωτέρωνProbable reading.
1uncertain_reading[…] (lines 8–10 of the body)Two and a half lines struck through by the author; for the most part unreadable. ⟦τὴν Τουρκίαν⟧ is very uncertain.
1uncertain_readingμειουμένωνProbable reading.
1uncertain_reading[…] οἰκονομικῆς […] (lines 12–14)Words largely illegible; οἰκονομικῆς is uncertain.
1uncertain_readingἀποζημιώσεως / ἀποζημιώσεωνWord endings uncertain.
1uncertain_reading[…] (lines 17–18)Illegible; the end of the line may contain ὑποχωρήσῃ.
1uncertain_readingΜοὶ […] […] ὅτι […]Phrase struck through by the author before 'Μοὶ ἀφῆκε'.
1uncertain_readingΔυνάμειςProbable reading.
1uncertain_reading[…] (last four lines)Very illegible hand; one word above the line and one crossed-out word in the second-to-last line.
1ocr_reviewconfidence 0.25; 60 uncertain spans in 139 words; agreement of two readings 0.79
1translation_uncertain_sourceelΜοὶ ὅστις μοὶ ἀνεκοίνωσενΗ μεταγραφή είναι προφανώς αλλοιωμένη (διπλό «μοὶ», ασυνταξία: «Μοὶ ὅστις μοὶ»). Αποδόθηκε κατά το νόημα ως «ο οποίος μου ανακοίνωσε». Ο Υπουργός Εξωτερικών δεν κατονομάζεται στο κείμενο.
1translation_untranslatableelὙπουργεῖον Ἐξωτερικῶν 7΄.Το «7΄» μένει αμετάφραστο και ασαφές· ίσως είναι αριθμός τηλεγραφήματος ή ένδειξη ώρας/σειράς. Δεν επιχειρήθηκε ερμηνεία.
1translation_uncertain_sourceelἈθήναςΑιτιατική (πιθανώς «[Προς] Αθήνας»), ένδειξη προορισμού του τηλεγραφήματος· αποδόθηκε ως «Αθήνα».
1translation_termelἘκ ΛονδίνουΑποδόθηκε «Από το Λονδίνο» σύμφωνα με το γλωσσάριο (Λονδίνο).
1translation_uncertain_sourceelμεγάλα τμήματα […]Το μεγαλύτερο μέρος του σώματος του τηλεγραφήματος (σελ. 1 από «⟦…⟧ ⟦…⟧ ⟦…⟧ νὰ …» ώς το τέλος και αρχή σελ. 2) είναι globalement δυσανάγνωστο· η ακριβής θέση της ελληνικής και της τουρκικής πλευράς, οι προτάσεις των Δυνάμεων και η απάντηση του Βενιζέλου δεν μπορούν να αποκατασταθούν με βεβαιότητα. Διατηρήθηκαν τα ⟦…⟧ όπως στην πηγή.
1translation_uncertain_sourceelτὸ ζήτημα / ποζημιώσεωνΗ λέξη «ἀποζημιώσεων» κόβεται στην αλλαγή σελίδας (η σελ. 2 αρχίζει με «ποζημιώσεων»). Αποδόθηκε ως «το ζήτημα [των] αποζημιώσεων» και στις δύο σελίδες· το «των» δεν υπάρχει ρητά στην πηγή.
1translation_uncertain_sourceel[…] […] […] νὰ […] […] Ἑλλάδα τὴν Τουρκίαν …Το μεγαλύτερο μέρος του σώματος του τηλεγραφήματος (από τη σελ. 1 ώς την αρχή της σελ. 2) είναι σε μεγάλο βαθμό δυσανάγνωστο· η ακριβής θέση της ελληνικής και της τουρκικής πλευράς, οι προτάσεις των Δυνάμεων και η απάντηση του Βενιζέλου δεν μπορούν να αποκατασταθούν με βεβαιότητα. Τα ⟦…⟧ διατηρήθηκαν όπως στην πηγή.
1translation_uncertain_sourcetr7΄Başlıktaki '7΄' ifadesi telgrafın sıra/kayıt numarası ya da saat olabilir; olduğu gibi bırakıldı.
1translation_uncertain_sourcetrΜοὶ ὅστις μοὶ ἀνεκοίνωσενKaynakta bozuk bir ifade (muhtemelen yinelenen 'Μοὶ' ve fazladan 'ὅστις'). Cümle 'Bana bildirdi ki' anlamıyla çevrildi.
1translation_termtrὙπουργὸν ἘξωτερικῶνMetinde Bakanın hangi ülkeye ait olduğu belirtilmiyor; katalog özeti İngiliz Dışişleri Bakanı olduğunu bildiriyor. Çeviri kaynak metne bağlı kalındı.
1translation_termtrΔυνάμεις'Devletler' olarak çevrildi; Lozan müzakerelerindeki Büyük Devletler (Müttefik Devletler) kastedilmiş olabilir.
1translation_uncertain_sourcetr[…] […] […] (sayfa 1, 5.–22. satırlar)Bu bölümde okunaksız ⟦…⟧ aralıkları çok fazladır. Yalnızca okunabilen sözcükler çevrildi; cümle yapısı ve bağlam kesin olarak kurulamadı. Sözcük sırası kaynaktaki aralıkların konumunu korumak için yer yer Türkçe dizimden sapmaktadır.
1translation_uncertain_sourcetrτὸ ζήτημα / ποζημιώσεωνSayfa sonu ile sonraki sayfa başı arasında 'ἀποζημιώσεων' sözcüğü bölünmüş (ilk harf 'ἀ' düşmüş); 'meselesi' / 'tazminatların' olarak birleştirildi.
1translation_uncertain_sourcetrὑπὸÇevresi okunaksız olduğundan 'ὑπὸ' (genitifle 'tarafından', akuzatifle 'altında') belirsizdir; 'altında' seçildi.
1translation_uncertain_sourcetrδύναται Ἑλλὰς […] ἀποζημιώσεωςFiil okunaksız aralıkta olabilir; 'ödeyebilir' yoruma dayalıdır, kaynakta yalnızca 'δύναται' (-ebilir) okunuyor.
1translation_abbreviationen7΄Appears after 'Ministry of Foreign Affairs' in the heading. Kept as written; possibly a telegram number or an hour mark, not determinable from the transcription.
1translation_uncertain_sourceenΜοὶ ὅστις μοὶ ἀνεκοίνωσενThe transcribed text is garbled (a doubled dative 'μοὶ' with a relative 'ὅστις'). Translated as 'who informed me', following the evident sense of the sentence.
1translation_uncertain_sourceenΜοὶ ἀφῆκεLiterally 'left/allowed to me'. The surrounding text is illegible, so the sense is uncertain. The subject is not identifiable, so rendered impersonally as 'There was left to me'.
1translation_uncertain_sourceenἘκ Λονδίνου / ὙπουργεῖονThe heading words are marked as uncertain in the transcription. 'Ministry of Foreign Affairs' follows the glossary rendering of the full phrase.