E. Venizelos'un Dışişleri Bakanlığı'na, Türkiye'nin Yunanistan'dan talep ettiği tazminatlar konusunda İngiliz Dışişleri Bakanı ile yaptığı görüşmeye ilişkin telgrafı
173.036.54 · 1923 Μάρτιος 27 · Ελληνική · makine üretimi, denetlenmedi
Tarama
Özgün metin (diplomatik transkripsiyon)
OCR: gözden geçirilmeli · claude/opus · İki okumanın uyumu 0.79
Ἐκ Λονδίνου 27 Μαρτίου 1923
Ὑπουργεῖον Ἐξωτερικῶν 7΄.
Ἀθήνας
Εἶδον σήμερον Ὑπουργὸν Ἐξωτερικῶν.
Μοὶ ὅστις μοὶ ἀνεκοίνωσεν ὅτι αἱ διαπραγ-
ματεύσεις θὰ ἐπαναληφθῶσιν ἐν Λωζάννῃ
πιθανώτατα μετὰ τρεῖς ἑβδομάδας. Μία
τῶν κυριωτέρων δυσκολιῶν, ὡς μοὶ εἶπεν,
εἶναι τὸ ζήτημα ἀποζημιώσεων ἃς
ἡ Τουρκία ζητεῖ παρὰ Ἑλλάδος. […]
[…] […] […] νὰ […] […]
Ἑλλάδα τὴν Τουρκίαν […] […] Μοὶ
ὑπεδείχθη ὅτι δὲν θὰ ἦτο δυνατὸν νὰ ἐξαρ-
τηθῇ […] μειουμένων ἀποζημιώ-
σεων […] […] οἰκονομικῆς […]
[…] Ἑλλάδος ὑπὸ […] […] ἢ
[…] […] […] ἐὰν […] […]
δύναται Ἑλλὰς […] ἀποζημιώσεως.
Ἀπήντησα ὅτι ἐπὶ […] ἀποζημιώσεων
[…] […] […] […]
[…] νὰ μὴ ὑποχωρήσῃ […].
Μοὶ […] […] ὅτι […] Μοὶ ἀφῆκε
[…] νὰ […] ὅτι Δυνάμεις […] […]
[…] νὰ […] […] Ἑλλάδα […]
[…] […] […]
[…] […] […] […] […]
[…] […] […] τὸ ζήτημα
Damgalar ve notlar
- archival 193 top left
- handwritten_note ⟦Ἐμπιστευτικόν⟧ 21α top left, slanted
- archival Ἀρ. Πρωτ. 1001 top left, struck through
- handwritten_note ⟦78⟧ top left, in red, over the protocol number
- archival 173/54 3721 left margin, stamped figures
- archival 544 left margin, handwritten
- handwritten_note 21α left side, in red
- handwritten_note Διεξ. ⟦αὐθ.⟧ 10 μμ. ⟦…⟧ left margin, vertical
- stamp ΜΠΗ bottom right, Benaki Museum stamp
Belirsiz okumalar
- ⟦Ἐκ Λονδίνου⟧ Place name before the date; the reading is uncertain.
- ⟦Ὑπουργεῖον⟧ Start of the addressee line, partly obscured by the crossed-out protocol number and the red marks.
- Μοὶ ὅστις The first word of the line is crossed out in the original (copied, not deleted); ὅστις is a probable reading.
- ⟦κυριωτέρων⟧ Probable reading.
- ⟦…⟧ (lines 8–10 of the body) Two and a half lines struck through by the author; for the most part unreadable. ⟦τὴν Τουρκίαν⟧ is very uncertain.
- ⟦μειουμένων⟧ Probable reading.
- ⟦…⟧ ⟦οἰκονομικῆς⟧ ⟦…⟧ (lines 12–14) Words largely illegible; οἰκονομικῆς is uncertain.
- ⟦ἀποζημιώσεως⟧ / ⟦ἀποζημιώσεων⟧ Word endings uncertain.
- ⟦…⟧ (lines 17–18) Illegible; the end of the line may contain ὑποχωρήσῃ.
- Μοὶ ⟦…⟧ ⟦…⟧ ὅτι ⟦…⟧ Phrase struck through by the author before 'Μοὶ ἀφῆκε'.
- ⟦Δυνάμεις⟧ Probable reading.
- ⟦…⟧ (last four lines) Very illegible hand; one word above the line and one crossed-out word in the second-to-last line.
Dimotiki Yunanca
Από το Λονδίνο 27 Μαρτίου 1923
Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών 7΄.
Αθήνα
Είδα σήμερα τον Υπουργό Εξωτερικών, ο οποίος μου ανακοίνωσε ότι οι διαπραγματεύσεις θα ξαναρχίσουν στη Λωζάνη πιθανότατα σε τρεις εβδομάδες. Μία από τις κυριότερες δυσκολίες, όπως μου είπε, είναι το ζήτημα των αποζημιώσεων που η Τουρκία ζητεί από την Ελλάδα. […] […] […] […] να […] […] Ελλάδα την Τουρκία […] […] Μου υποδείχθηκε ότι δεν θα ήταν δυνατό να εξαρτηθεί […] μειωμένων αποζημιώσεων […] […] οικονομικής […] […] Ελλάδας από […] […] ή […] […] […] εάν […] […] μπορεί η Ελλάδα […] αποζημίωσης. Απάντησα ότι σχετικά με […] αποζημιώσεων […] […] […] […] […] να μη υποχωρήσει […]. Μου […] […] ότι […] Μου άφησε […] να […] ότι Δυνάμεις […] […] […] να […] […] Ελλάδα […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] το ζήτημα
Türkçe
Londra'dan 27 Mart 1923
Dışişleri Bakanlığı 7΄.
Atina
Bugün Dışişleri Bakanı'nı gördüm. Bana, müzakerelerin Lozan'da büyük olasılıkla üç hafta sonra yeniden başlayacağını bildirdi. Söylediğine göre başlıca güçlüklerden biri, Türkiye'nin Yunanistan'dan talep ettiği tazminatlar meselesidir. […] […] […] […] için […] […] Yunanistan Türkiye'yi […] […] Bana, bağlı kılınmasının mümkün olmayacağı belirtildi […] azaltılan tazminatlara […] […] ekonomik […] […] Yunanistan'ın altında […] […] ya da […] […] […] eğer […] […] Yunanistan […] tazminat ödeyebilir. Şu yanıtı verdim: […] tazminatlar konusunda […] […] […] […] […] geri adım atmamalı […]. Bana […] […] ki […] Bana […] bıraktı […] için […] ki Devletler […] […] […] için […] […] Yunanistan […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] […] meselesi
İngilizce
From London 27 March 1923
Ministry of Foreign Affairs 7΄.
Athens
Today I saw the Minister for Foreign Affairs, who informed me that the negotiations will be resumed at Lausanne, most probably after three weeks. One of the principal difficulties, as he told me, is the question of the indemnities which Turkey demands from Greece. […]
[…] […] […] to […] […]
Greece Turkey […] […] It was pointed out to me that it would not be possible for […] to be made dependent […] reduced indemnities […] […] financial […]
[…] of Greece by […] […] or
[…] […] […] if […] […]
Greece can […] indemnity.
I replied that on […] indemnities
[…] […] […] […]
[…] not to yield […].
To me […] […] that […] He left me
[…] to […] that Powers […] […]
[…] to […] […] Greece […]
[…] […] […]
[…] […] […] […] […]
[…] […] […] the question
Açık sorunlar
| s. | Tür | Dil | Metin | Ayrıntı |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| abstract_mismatch | αγγλο | names in the archivist's title or abstract not found in the transcription | ||
| 1 | uncertain_reading | Ἐκ Λονδίνου | Place name before the date; the reading is uncertain. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | Ὑπουργεῖον | Start of the addressee line, partly obscured by the crossed-out protocol number and the red marks. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | Μοὶ ὅστις | The first word of the line is crossed out in the original (copied, not deleted); ὅστις is a probable reading. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | κυριωτέρων | Probable reading. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | […] (lines 8–10 of the body) | Two and a half lines struck through by the author; for the most part unreadable. ⟦τὴν Τουρκίαν⟧ is very uncertain. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | μειουμένων | Probable reading. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | […] οἰκονομικῆς […] (lines 12–14) | Words largely illegible; οἰκονομικῆς is uncertain. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | ἀποζημιώσεως / ἀποζημιώσεων | Word endings uncertain. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | […] (lines 17–18) | Illegible; the end of the line may contain ὑποχωρήσῃ. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | Μοὶ […] […] ὅτι […] | Phrase struck through by the author before 'Μοὶ ἀφῆκε'. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | Δυνάμεις | Probable reading. | |
| 1 | uncertain_reading | […] (last four lines) | Very illegible hand; one word above the line and one crossed-out word in the second-to-last line. | |
| 1 | ocr_review | confidence 0.25; 60 uncertain spans in 139 words; agreement of two readings 0.79 | ||
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | el | Μοὶ ὅστις μοὶ ἀνεκοίνωσεν | Η μεταγραφή είναι προφανώς αλλοιωμένη (διπλό «μοὶ», ασυνταξία: «Μοὶ ὅστις μοὶ»). Αποδόθηκε κατά το νόημα ως «ο οποίος μου ανακοίνωσε». Ο Υπουργός Εξωτερικών δεν κατονομάζεται στο κείμενο. |
| 1 | translation_untranslatable | el | Ὑπουργεῖον Ἐξωτερικῶν 7΄. | Το «7΄» μένει αμετάφραστο και ασαφές· ίσως είναι αριθμός τηλεγραφήματος ή ένδειξη ώρας/σειράς. Δεν επιχειρήθηκε ερμηνεία. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | el | Ἀθήνας | Αιτιατική (πιθανώς «[Προς] Αθήνας»), ένδειξη προορισμού του τηλεγραφήματος· αποδόθηκε ως «Αθήνα». |
| 1 | translation_term | el | Ἐκ Λονδίνου | Αποδόθηκε «Από το Λονδίνο» σύμφωνα με το γλωσσάριο (Λονδίνο). |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | el | μεγάλα τμήματα […] | Το μεγαλύτερο μέρος του σώματος του τηλεγραφήματος (σελ. 1 από «⟦…⟧ ⟦…⟧ ⟦…⟧ νὰ …» ώς το τέλος και αρχή σελ. 2) είναι globalement δυσανάγνωστο· η ακριβής θέση της ελληνικής και της τουρκικής πλευράς, οι προτάσεις των Δυνάμεων και η απάντηση του Βενιζέλου δεν μπορούν να αποκατασταθούν με βεβαιότητα. Διατηρήθηκαν τα ⟦…⟧ όπως στην πηγή. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | el | τὸ ζήτημα / ποζημιώσεων | Η λέξη «ἀποζημιώσεων» κόβεται στην αλλαγή σελίδας (η σελ. 2 αρχίζει με «ποζημιώσεων»). Αποδόθηκε ως «το ζήτημα [των] αποζημιώσεων» και στις δύο σελίδες· το «των» δεν υπάρχει ρητά στην πηγή. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | el | […] […] […] νὰ […] […] Ἑλλάδα τὴν Τουρκίαν … | Το μεγαλύτερο μέρος του σώματος του τηλεγραφήματος (από τη σελ. 1 ώς την αρχή της σελ. 2) είναι σε μεγάλο βαθμό δυσανάγνωστο· η ακριβής θέση της ελληνικής και της τουρκικής πλευράς, οι προτάσεις των Δυνάμεων και η απάντηση του Βενιζέλου δεν μπορούν να αποκατασταθούν με βεβαιότητα. Τα ⟦…⟧ διατηρήθηκαν όπως στην πηγή. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | 7΄ | Başlıktaki '7΄' ifadesi telgrafın sıra/kayıt numarası ya da saat olabilir; olduğu gibi bırakıldı. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | Μοὶ ὅστις μοὶ ἀνεκοίνωσεν | Kaynakta bozuk bir ifade (muhtemelen yinelenen 'Μοὶ' ve fazladan 'ὅστις'). Cümle 'Bana bildirdi ki' anlamıyla çevrildi. |
| 1 | translation_term | tr | Ὑπουργὸν Ἐξωτερικῶν | Metinde Bakanın hangi ülkeye ait olduğu belirtilmiyor; katalog özeti İngiliz Dışişleri Bakanı olduğunu bildiriyor. Çeviri kaynak metne bağlı kalındı. |
| 1 | translation_term | tr | Δυνάμεις | 'Devletler' olarak çevrildi; Lozan müzakerelerindeki Büyük Devletler (Müttefik Devletler) kastedilmiş olabilir. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | […] […] […] (sayfa 1, 5.–22. satırlar) | Bu bölümde okunaksız ⟦…⟧ aralıkları çok fazladır. Yalnızca okunabilen sözcükler çevrildi; cümle yapısı ve bağlam kesin olarak kurulamadı. Sözcük sırası kaynaktaki aralıkların konumunu korumak için yer yer Türkçe dizimden sapmaktadır. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | τὸ ζήτημα / ποζημιώσεων | Sayfa sonu ile sonraki sayfa başı arasında 'ἀποζημιώσεων' sözcüğü bölünmüş (ilk harf 'ἀ' düşmüş); 'meselesi' / 'tazminatların' olarak birleştirildi. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | ὑπὸ | Çevresi okunaksız olduğundan 'ὑπὸ' (genitifle 'tarafından', akuzatifle 'altında') belirsizdir; 'altında' seçildi. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | tr | δύναται Ἑλλὰς […] ἀποζημιώσεως | Fiil okunaksız aralıkta olabilir; 'ödeyebilir' yoruma dayalıdır, kaynakta yalnızca 'δύναται' (-ebilir) okunuyor. |
| 1 | translation_abbreviation | en | 7΄ | Appears after 'Ministry of Foreign Affairs' in the heading. Kept as written; possibly a telegram number or an hour mark, not determinable from the transcription. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | en | Μοὶ ὅστις μοὶ ἀνεκοίνωσεν | The transcribed text is garbled (a doubled dative 'μοὶ' with a relative 'ὅστις'). Translated as 'who informed me', following the evident sense of the sentence. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | en | Μοὶ ἀφῆκε | Literally 'left/allowed to me'. The surrounding text is illegible, so the sense is uncertain. The subject is not identifiable, so rendered impersonally as 'There was left to me'. |
| 1 | translation_uncertain_source | en | Ἐκ Λονδίνου / Ὑπουργεῖον | The heading words are marked as uncertain in the transcription. 'Ministry of Foreign Affairs' follows the glossary rendering of the full phrase. |